Monday, June 10, 2013

Feinstein ‘Open’ to Hearings on Surveillance Programs


Senator Dianne Feinstein, the chairwoman of the Senate intelligence committee and a defender of the phone and Internet surveillance programs that have come into public view in recent days, said on Sunday that she would consider holding hearings about them.
“I’m open to doing a hearing every month, if that’s necessary,” she said on the ABC program “This Week.”
But, she added: “Here’s the rub: The instances where this has produced good — has disrupted plots, prevented terrorist attacks, is all classified, that’s what’s so hard about this.”
Ms. Feinstein’s remarks came two days after President Obama — commenting on news reports, based on leaked government documents, that revealed details about phone and Internet surveillance programs run by the National Security Agency — said he welcomed a debate over the right balance between security and privacy.
Other lawmakers who appeared on the Sunday talk shows were largely supportive of the surveillance programs, often outspokenly so.
Senator John McCain, Republican of Arizona, said that he was not bothered by the surveillance. He said on the CNN program “State of the Union” that the terror threat was growing steadily amid deepening turmoil in the Middle East and North Africa but that further Congressional and executive review of the programs was “entirely appropriate.”
But Senator Mark Udall of Colorado, for years an outspoken critic of the government’s electronic surveillance programs, said he was not convinced that a program to collect huge amounts of information about Americans’ phone calls had led to the foiling of any terror plots. He also called for a renewed debate over the Patriot Act, which authorizes much of the data collection.
In making the assertion, Mr. Udall, a Democrat and a member of the House intelligence committee, appeared to be distinguishing the results of that program — which uses “metadata” associated with phone calls, including numbers called and the duration of conversations — from those of the newly revealed Prism program, which analyzes data collected from foreigners who use Internet services like Facebook and Skype. Several officials have said Prism has been effective.
“It’s unclear to me that we’ve developed any intelligence through the metadata program that has led to the disruption of plots that we couldn’t have developed through other data and other intelligence,” Mr. Udall said on the CNN program “State of the Union.”
Mr. Udall called for a reopening of debate over the Patriot Act and a “fulsome debate” on the limits of government intrusion as it seeks to deter terrorist threats.
Representative Mike Rogers, chairman of the House intelligence committee, spoke with barely disguised anger about Glenn Greenwald, whose articles in The Guardian newspaper last week described the surveillance programs. He also said that the public needed to know that “the National Security Agency does not listen to Americans’ phone calls, and it is not reading Americans’ e-mails. None of these programs allow that.”
Mr. Greenwald “says that he’s got it all and now is an expert on the program,” Mr. Rogers said on the ABC program “This Week.” “He doesn’t have a clue how this thing works. Neither did the person who released just enough information to literally be dangerous.”
On Sunday, The Guardian identified the leaker as Edward Snowden, a 29-year-old technical assistant who has worked at the National Security Agency for the last four years as an employee for various defense contractors. He has most recently worked for Booz Allen Hamilton, a defense contractor, according to the newspaper, which said that Mr. Snowden had agreed to be named after having been cited anonymously in earlier reports.
Before Mr. Snowden was identified, Mr. Rogers said of the leaker: “I absolutely think they should be prosecuted.” Ms. Feinstein, Democrat of California, said she agreed.
One lawmaker, Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky, called the surveillance programs unconstitutional and said he would organize a class-action suit against the government among Internet and phone companies. “If we get 10 million Americans saying we don’t want our phone records looked at then somebody will wake up and say things will change in Washington,” he said on “Fox News Sunday.”
Ms. Feinstein cited two declassified cases in which electronic surveillance data had been used — that of David C. Headley, an American who conducted several missions to Mumbai, India, in preparation for a deadly terror attack there, and that of Najibullah Zazi, an Afghan-American who was convicted of seeking to set off backpacks full of explosives in the New York subway. The Mumbai attack was carried out and killed more than 160 people; the subway attack was foiled.

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